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Navaros · Oct 27, 2006, 10:31 AM // 10:31

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Players get 20 Balthazar’s faction for each point scored and 100 faction for winning.

Is that seriously it? If so then Hero Battles are going to be 100% pointless and likely share the same fate as Jade Quarry.

Now it's clear why the devs and previews never mentioned anything about Hero Battle "rewards" until now - because to do so would have made it clear how Hero Battles are 100% pointless due to no decent reward would have not been in the best interest of Nightfall's sales.

Any chance the devs might do something about this to make Hero Battles actually have a point to playing?

Here is what Lead Designer James Phinney said:

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We’re always discussing our own experiences and all the feedback we see in the forums, and looking for ways to make Guild Wars more rewarding, more dynamic, and more polished.

If all Hero Battles give is a bit of Balthazar faction, then Hero Battles are in deperate need of some of that "more rewarding" part! Clearly as it stands, the reward for Hero Battles is not in line with the quoted statement there.

I would suggest giving Fame for winning in Hero Battles or if not Fame then at least something decent.

Tainek · Oct 27, 2006, 10:33 AM // 10:33

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Originally Posted by Navaros

Is that seriously it? If so then Hero Battles are going to be 100% pointless and likely share the same fate as Jade Quarry.

Now it's clear why the devs and previews never mentioned anything about Hero Battle "rewards" until now - because to do so would have made it clear how Hero Battles are 100% pointless due to no decent reward would have not been in the best interest of Nightfall's sales.

Any chance the devs might do something about this to make Hero Battles actually have a point to playing?

Here is what Lead Designer James Phinney said:

If all Hero Battles give is a bit of Balthazar faction, then Hero Battles are in deperate need of some of that "more rewarding" part! Clearly as it stands, the reward for Hero Battles is not in line with the quoted statement there.

I would suggest giving Fame for winning in Hero Battles or if not Fame then at least something decent.

So TA and GVG are pointless then>?

Navaros · Oct 27, 2006, 10:35 AM // 10:35

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Originally Posted by Tainek

So TA and GVG are pointless then>?

More or less, except for the fact that you can get titles for them. Although titles are also not nearly enough of a reward for those areas. Those areas are likewise under-rewarded, but not nearly as bad as Hero Battles which doesn't even give titles.

broodijzer · Oct 27, 2006, 10:37 AM // 10:37

Where are the days that people played for fun instead of some reward that really isn't that important?

Arx Baron · Oct 27, 2006, 10:38 AM // 10:38

What would be the point of a Hero battle title track? Meaning you pwn when you play alone? So what? If you're so good, then you won't need to join any group i guess.

Tainek · Oct 27, 2006, 10:38 AM // 10:38

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Originally Posted by Navaros

More or less, except for the fact that you can get titles for them. Although titles are also not nearly enough of a reward for those areas. Those areas are likewise under-rewarded, but not nearly as bad as Hero Battles which doesn't even give titles.

i forget sarc is lost on the internet

The reward is PLAYING the game, as in, you know, enjoying it?

if gvg is pointless, why are so many guilds active in gvg?

Arcador · Oct 27, 2006, 10:40 AM // 10:40

20x20 = 400 + 100 for win, or 380 down to 0 for loss
This is a lot.

People play this game for FUN, not for points. 95% of the gvg players do it because they enjoy the overal feeling.

It is leechers that care only about points and it is the same bots that ruin the fort and the quarry.

Navaros · Oct 27, 2006, 10:41 AM // 10:41

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Originally Posted by Arx Baron

What would be the point of a Hero battle title track? Meaning you pwn when you play alone? So what? If you're so good, then you won't need to join any group i guess.

Sure, why not. Those who are successful at "pwning" 1vs1 deserve decent rewards for that including titles and emotes or at least something that can be sold for gold ie Kurz/Lux Faction.

Bale_Shadowscar · Oct 27, 2006, 12:04 PM // 12:04

I guess they'll add a Hero Battle Title.

Faer · Oct 27, 2006, 12:13 PM // 12:13

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Originally Posted by broodijzer

Where are the days that people played for fun instead of some reward that really isn't that important?

You stole my question... Get out of my head!

Navaros · Oct 27, 2006, 12:19 PM // 12:19

Rewards are very important in RPG games which is what Guild Wars is.

Having no decent rewards is what makes RPG games be not fun.

Hero Battles would be 100 billion times more fun when they start giving Fame and/or emotes and/or Titles and/or gold and/or sellable rare materials.

Scourgey · Oct 27, 2006, 01:13 PM // 13:13

I played RA & TA a lot even though there were no rewards before Guild wars Factions was out....

azunder · Oct 27, 2006, 01:27 PM // 13:27

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Originally Posted by Navaros

Having no decent rewards is what makes RPG games be not fun.

Having no reward makes ANY game not fun.

But, doesn't victory count as a reward? If victory is worthless to you, then you're playing the wrong game. For example, before faction and titles were implemented, people still played RA. There were absolutely no rewards, but the feeling of success that people got from winning is what kept them playing.

What wouldn't be fun is when the game mechanics turn out to be shallow and predictable.

And, on a side note, I HATE the notion that RPGs are all about advancement and rewards. People seem to have forgotten the Role Playing portion of the genre.

Neo Nugget · Oct 27, 2006, 01:46 PM // 13:46

That seems better except i think it should be 40 like RA.

Marc0 · Oct 27, 2006, 01:48 PM // 13:48

If you want a reward, play PvE & get loot drops, the reward for PvP is being the WINNER! Beating an actual human team is a reward in itself.

Navaros · Oct 27, 2006, 01:52 PM // 13:52

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Originally Posted by Marc0

Beating an actual human team is a reward in itself.

That is an extremely crappy reward. Especially when one has done it tens of thousands of times already.

Maybe they should take away the Guild Ladder and Emotes and Titles too then, if beating an actual human team is a reward in itself.

But I think it would be better to instead increase rewards rather than taking them away or giving only half-baked, pointless rewards. Starting with Hero Battles.

Fred Kiwi · Oct 27, 2006, 01:59 PM // 13:59

points are easy to get. you get a point for each period you hold a shrine. its quite a lot if you ask me

have you heard of a thing called fun?

Sid Soggybottom · Oct 27, 2006, 02:20 PM // 14:20

I am seriously tired of the "Give me rewards for playing a game" crowd. They dont care about actual gameplay, they only care about items and rewards or whatever they can get to feel "special" Play the game for the fun of just playing the game, for crying out loud.

c_ras · Oct 27, 2006, 02:27 PM // 14:27

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Originally Posted by Navaros

That is an extremely crappy reward. Especially when one has done it tens of thousands of times already.

If you want a reward, if you beat me, I'll give you a "GG". How rewarding is that? Just play the game and have fun and stop complaining. I am sure they will implement something soon.

logik · Oct 27, 2006, 02:48 PM // 14:48

obviously people who complain about this do not play PVP....and sorry to tell you, but hero battles are a form of PVP jsut like, RA, TA, and HA...